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fastlizzy

05/13/09 3:58 PM

Post #1,988

Re: #1,987: @MWM - Bought some SKF calls just in case things

Hey, you never know. Sold my (AIG) AILQU 9 cents too soon! ($2 put)

Oh, well.....tomorrow the call will be up! So many bears to squeeze!

MWM

05/13/09 3:56 PM

Post #1,987

Re: #1,986: @fastlizzy - What r u doin here? Short FAZ to $2!

Bought some SKF calls just in case things get a little harry the rest of the week...

May $60's for .15...

fastlizzy

05/05/09 12:06 PM

Post #1,986

Re: #1,985: @dc_350 - Thanks junior...

What r u doin here? Short FAZ to $2!

if you want! lol

can you believe less than 2 months ago it was 108! unreal

dc_350

04/20/09 9:30 AM

Post #1,985

Re: #1,984: @clairmontasap - GM DC

Thanks junior...

clairmontasap Free

04/20/09 9:17 AM

Post #1,984

Re: #1,983: @dc_350 - SRS pushing 29 pm...

GM DC

have a meeting at hopkins...won't be around til 3 probably

GL today

dc_350

04/20/09 7:47 AM

Post #1,983

Re: #1,982: @clairmontasap - I agree

SRS pushing 29 pm...

Started accumulating some the end of last week...in at a 26.93 average. :)

Morning junior...

clairmontasap Free

04/19/09 9:30 PM

Post #1,982

Re: #1,981: @dc_350 - Or a really good buy....

I agree

dc_350

04/17/09 3:34 PM

Post #1,981

Re: #1,980: @m177 - SRS looking like a diluted pinkie

Or a really good buy....

big smile

m177

04/17/09 3:20 PM

Post #1,980

SRS looking like a diluted pinkie

03/24/09 8:29 PM

Post #1,979

Re: #1,978: @dc_350 - SRS below 58...that's insane...

if the rally resumes strong dc? you'll see SKF there;--0)0

<<SRS below 58...that's insane...>>

dc_350

03/23/09 2:58 PM

Post #1,978

SRS below 58...that's insane...

edit - Make that below 57...sheesh...

GetMoneyLiveFast Free

03/23/09 2:25 AM

Post #1,977

Re: #1,976: @GetMoneyLiveFast - I am playing the short bounce but think

AD: I mean I will play PLD for a bounce tomorrow AM as I think it is likely to see a few points

GetMoneyLiveFast Free

03/22/09 11:03 PM

Post #1,976

Re: #1,975: @AD - No idea GetMLF, on PLD I just trade

I am playing the short bounce but think if it dropped from 750 to 550 in two days based on low expectations on financial results but it might be oversold going into the first few hours.

03/21/09 10:02 PM

Post #1,975

Re: #1,974: @GetMoneyLiveFast - Where do you think the bottom is on PLD?

No idea GetMLF, on PLD I just trade it when I see what looks like a good opp.

They are in for some very tough times. Will it re visit the lows? time will tell;-00

GetMoneyLiveFast Free

03/21/09 5:28 PM

Post #1,974

Re: #1,973: @AD - glad to hear it GMLF. I don't know

Where do you think the bottom is on PLD?

03/20/09 11:46 AM

Post #1,973

Re: #1,972: @GetMoneyLiveFast - Exactly what I was thinking and picked up

glad to hear it GMLF. I don't know why I didn't join you largish in SKF. Like near 100 was a big risk? NOT!

Played the REITs short for a nice day so far. SPG PLD, in size.

GetMoneyLiveFast Free

03/20/09 11:44 AM

Post #1,972

Re: #1,970: @AD - lol, who knows. I'm thinking some consolidation for

Exactly what I was thinking and picked up a large position yesterday still riding it out. I love these EFT's %%

03/19/09 12:22 PM

Post #1,971

Re: #1,966: @AD - bot some TBT 46.10, light position

hmm, just saw this TBT post. Turns out I never got the fill afterall. Checked with retirement acct too. Good thing, since it's down a little ;-0)

03/19/09 12:15 PM

Post #1,970

Re: #1,969: @GetMoneyLiveFast - Bought both late yesterday enjoying gains - any

lol, who knows. I'm thinking some consolidation for a day or two?

TRaded SKF for scalps twice today,,, no complaints. Total of around 2.6 points.

GetMoneyLiveFast Free

03/19/09 12:13 PM

Post #1,969

Re: #1,968: @AD - .<

Bought both late yesterday enjoying gains - any thoughts on when the markets will bottom out again?

03/17/09 6:57 PM

Post #1,968

Re: #1,967: @GetMoneyLiveFast - Looks like a good trade thus far for

.<<buying SKF and SEF once I think I found a top>>>
LOL ! you and me and the rest of us!

GetMoneyLiveFast Free

03/16/09 11:41 AM

Post #1,967

Re: #1,966: @AD - bot some TBT 46.10, light position

Looks like a good trade thus far for ya. I am undecided when these markets will start to retract. I am buying SKF and SEF once I think I found a top. Should be 10-15% gainers.

03/12/09 1:05 PM

Post #1,966

Re: #1,902: @AD - yah bc, TBT is acting great. I posted

bot some TBT 46.10, light position

snowcloud

02/27/09 7:00 PM

Post #1,965

Re: #1,964: @Stock - It seems like if you are going to

Very interesting approach - I'll check it out next week. Thanks!

Stock

02/27/09 6:00 PM

Post #1,964

Re: #1,963: @snowcloud - You bring up an interesting point. As I

It seems like if you are going to try and trade SRS intraday, I would watch DJUSRE and SRS.IV.

Watching the index, I would

1. target a point of support or resistance where trading might pivot

2. calculate the percentage gain or loss on the index at which the pivot works out.

3. apply the percentage to SRS.iv

4. place a limit order at or slightly beyond the percentage level indicated and wait for the trade to come to you.

5. then immediately calculate the numbers for the exit of the trade. targeting some percentage you can live with.

the big boys are trading in and out less than half a percent at a time with multiple trades. they also take multiple gains and losses. their computers can do that.

On a related topic, I wonder how those computer trading black box style hedge funds are doing.... you don't hear much about them.

snowcloud

02/27/09 5:51 PM

Post #1,963

Re: #1,958: @Stock - URE options are not priced adequately for the

You bring up an interesting point. As I understand it the bid/ask action of an ETF (as a synthetic instrument) is entirely dependent on the price action of its underlying basket of stocks. As a result, the bid/ask of an ETF move with the composite price action of the underlying basket which is affected most often by the good old volume precedes price paradigm. However, the volume of an ETF itself isn't correlated with the price of that ETF - it just shows how many shares were traded and doesn't follow the traditional volume/price relationship. As a result, big volume on an ETF isn't going to move the bid/ask of that ETF at all - the price action and volume of the underlying basket do that.

I've read that as many as 75% of the trades placed on the big boards are placed by algos. If that's true, then I imagine that a bunch of algos are trading the individual stocks in a given ETF's basket, other algos are trading the ETF itself, and the rest of us humans are just trying to go along for the ride without getting bucked off.

The bid/ask price swings on SRS are beyond crazy; when SRS falls off a cliff the bid/ask declines so fast and huge that I've got to believe that algos are involved. Lately I've been trying to jump on board short just as it begins its descent. Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't.

GLTAUH (Good Luck to All Us Humans)

Stock

02/27/09 3:57 PM

Post #1,962

Re: #1,961: @MWM - Market is due a rally imo, makes sense

it's so hard to tell all the computer trading on these

MWM

02/27/09 3:56 PM

Post #1,961

Re: #1,960: @Stock - looks like a lot of SRS selling/shorting and

Market is due a rally imo, makes sense to me...

Stock

02/27/09 3:43 PM

Post #1,960

Re: #1,959: @MWM - You would probably know better than I...

looks like a lot of SRS selling/shorting and a lot of URE long activity last 30 minutes. just watching the tape on both

MWM

02/27/09 3:18 PM

Post #1,959

Re: #1,958: @Stock - URE options are not priced adequately for the

You would probably know better than I...

Stock

02/27/09 3:16 PM

Post #1,958

Re: #1,957: @MWM - I wouldn't think so, they would probably just

URE options are not priced adequately for the task, but SRS maybe they are

it just looks to me like a whole load of computer program trading all day long on both

MWM

02/27/09 3:13 PM

Post #1,957

Re: #1,956: @Stock - wondering about URE and all the volume in it:

I wouldn't think so, they would probably just buy puts on the one they are trading as a hedge... but possible...

Stock

02/27/09 3:08 PM

Post #1,956

Re: #1,593: @MWM - URE should work just as well! I've mentioned

wondering about URE and all the volume in it:

do you think the big guys are going long URE intraday as an SRS hedge when SRS gets overbought?

MWM

02/27/09 10:27 AM

Post #1,955

Looking at buying some SSO calls...

MWM

02/20/09 10:20 AM

Post #1,953

Re: #1,952: @fastlizzy - I know! I think my strike will be

$180 could easily happen, the big selloff has already happened today...

fastlizzy

02/20/09 10:18 AM

Post #1,952

Re: #1,951: @MWM - SKF I want to beat with a baseball

I know! I think my strike will be hit today.....180!

That Michelle on CNBC talks about nationalization.....she puts words in Bernacke's mouth and everyone disagrees with her.....but every time she says it the financials tank! They need to take her off.....and Santelli!

They must be hugely short the financials! They are anti-American!

MWM

02/20/09 10:06 AM

Post #1,951

Re: #1,950: @fastlizzy - Got a 180 put on SKF for .85! LOL

SKF I want to beat with a baseball bat! GL! once again I knew it was gonna hit $200 and I chickened out, so frustating...

Those $200 calls were .50 yesterday, hit over $8 today!

fastlizzy

02/20/09 10:05 AM

Post #1,950

Re: #1,949: @MWM - No doubt thats the one to watch!

Got a 180 put on SKF for .85! LOL

should be interesting!

MWM

02/20/09 9:59 AM

Post #1,949

Re: #1,948: @frenchee - Here's one that's 2x bearish on gold stocks.

No doubt thats the one to watch!

frenchee

02/20/09 9:54 AM

Post #1,948

Re: #1,943: @Autom8 - do you know of a ETF that is

Here's one that's 2x bearish on gold stocks.

#board-12683

MWM

02/20/09 9:17 AM

Post #1,947

Huge Call options on GLD at $100, $150 and $200 in Jan 2010's!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=GLD&m=2010-01

Autom8

02/20/09 9:08 AM

Post #1,946

Re: #1,944: @Churak - from the IBOX link - GLL

Thank you

MWM

02/20/09 9:04 AM

Post #1,945

Re: #1,943: @Autom8 - do you know of a ETF that is

Sure DGL

Churak

02/20/09 9:04 AM

Post #1,944

Re: #1,943: @Autom8 - do you know of a ETF that is

from the IBOX link - GLL

Autom8

02/20/09 8:59 AM

Post #1,943

Re: #1,942: @MWM - There is my damn $200 on SKF! Why

do you know of a ETF that is bearish on gold?

MWM

02/20/09 8:27 AM

Post #1,942

Re: #1,933: @MWM - Added some 200 SKF calls... Fingers crossed!

There is my damn $200 on SKF! Why we had that little headfake yesterday am, friggin made me sell out, disgusting!

Those calls were as low as .50 yesterday, looks like they might get close to $10 today if we break over $200...

MWM

02/19/09 3:41 PM

Post #1,941

SKF to $200 might be coming in a gap tomorrow...

MWM

02/19/09 3:32 PM

Post #1,940

Re: #1,939: @m177 - Got my butt kicked on options the past

Same here! gl!

m177

02/19/09 3:30 PM

Post #1,939

Re: #1,938: @MWM - SKF and SRS look like good plays here

Got my butt kicked on options the past 2 weeks...just gonna sit back and chill and wait for skf to max out tomorrow then try to play some puts on it Monday.